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Heart of the Enneagram

A courageous and loving look at what is.

Been listening to the podcasts and enjoying them very much! My gosh, they sound so professional, in terms of the quality of the recording and you and Chris and your interchanges. But at the same time, they are really warm and endearing—so much so that I find myself starting to comment aloud as if it were a conversation I am actually part of. The sound of your voice makes me miss you!

– Ronda Redden Reitz, Knoxville, TN

I have begun listening to your podcasts and using the journal book and am very grateful for what it already has meant to me. Can’t pin a metal on the wind and other life-giving handles to grab onto.  

– Bobbie Wrenn Banks, Atlanta, GA

I have been listening to the podcast (and of course giving it a great review on iTunes), and I am blown away. It is absolutely WONDERFUL. These kinds of conversations fill such a deep need in the Enneagram community, and I am honored to be a part of it. Thank you both very much. I hope you feel proud and accomplished, as you should!

– Mirais Holden, New Orleans, LA





Heart of the Enneagram Podcast is a great next step tool once you and your coworkers have been typed. It helps you to take a deeper dive into understanding the different Enneagram types through first person accounts of those who share the same character structures as you  or someone you may know. The back and forth dialogue between Sandra, Chris and the guests makes it easy to relate to the first-person perspective of other types, as well as your own type. I hope we continue to see more of these podcasts in the future!

– Tyler Miller, Manager, Village Social, Biltmore Company


Thanks for letting me know of your wonderful new podcast and book. I’ve listened to a number of the podcasts already and will be highly recommending them to my Enneagram interviewees and students. I love how you honor the Narrative Tradition and Helen and David’s respectful approach to the spiritual journey while also adding your own unique (!) touches!

– Bernie van Dort, Michigan