Heart of the Enneagram

For those who want to take their exploration of the Enneagram deeper, we offer Heart of the Enneagram, a podcast and the companion book to facilitate the opening of the heart, a liberating act that releases limitation and fear and expands gratefulness and compassion.


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Welcome to Heart of the Enneagram. As students and teachers of the Enneagram for collectively more than 40 years, we are excited to offer our podcast and companion book for those who are seeking to take a deeper dive with this powerful resource. The Enneagram is a system that offers clarity about self, compassion for others, and insight into relationships. Learning the Enneagram wakes us up the habits and patterns of our lives and helps us recognize that we have the power to choose different ways to interact, respond, and engage with ourselves and others. In short, the Enneagram is a tool for bringing about more compassion and freedom in the world.


Because of our desire to share this deeper freedom – a freedom that each of us has known and continue to experience through this particular way of exploring the Enneagram –  we created Heart of the Enneagram. Starting with a podcast that explores each of the nine types by inviting personal narratives from people who have discovered the power of this tool, we also decided to create a companion book to support a deeper engagement with the Enneagram.  

The Heart of the Enneagram podcast and companion book are intended for those who already have some familiarity with the Enneagram and their type. If you find this podcast and companion book helpful in your personal and spiritual growth, please encourage others to subscribe to the podcast and purchase a copy of the book. As you listen, read, and reflect on the power of the Enneagram through the Heart of the Enneagram podcast and companion book, we invite you to look courageously and lovingly at what is.

Sandra & Chris

Podcast Reviews

Been listening to the podcasts and enjoying them very much! My gosh, they sound so professional, in terms of the quality of the recording and you and Chris and your interchanges. But at the same time, they are really warm and endearing—so much so that I find myself starting to comment aloud as if it were a conversation I am actually part of. The sound of your voice makes me miss you!

– Ronda Redden Reitz, Knoxville, TN

I have begun listening to your podcasts and using the journal book and am very grateful for what it already has meant to me. Can’t pin a metal on the wind and other life-giving handles to grab onto.  

– Bobbie Wrenn Banks, Atlanta, GA

I have been listening to the podcast (and of course giving it a great review on iTunes), and I am blown away. It is absolutely WONDERFUL. These kinds of conversations fill such a deep need in the Enneagram community, and I am honored to be a part of it. Thank you both very much. I hope you feel proud and accomplished, as you should!

– Mirais Holden, New Orleans, LA

Heart of the Enneagram Podcast is a great next step tool once you and your coworkers have been typed. It helps you to take a deeper dive into understanding the different Enneagram types through first person accounts of those who share the same character structures as you  or someone you may know. The back and forth dialogue between Sandra, Chris and the guests makes it easy to relate to the first-person perspective of other types, as well as your own type. I hope we continue to see more of these podcasts in the future!

– Tyler Miller, Manager, Village Social, Biltmore Company

Thanks for letting me know of your wonderful new podcast and book. I’ve listened to a number of the podcasts already and will be highly recommending them to my Enneagram interviewees and students. I love how you honor the Narrative Tradition and Helen and David’s respectful approach to the spiritual journey while also adding your own unique (!) touches!

– Bernie van Dort, Michigan


The book offers practices in the form of quotes, questions for reflection, and statements that help cultivate the inner observer and interrupt our habitual thinking.

While intended as a companion for the Heart of the Enneagram podcast, this book may also be used as a stand-alone resource for personal and spiritual growth.

We hope this book is a transformative resource for your personal and spiritual growth.

Sandra & Chris

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Chris & Sandra

Christopher T. Copeland, MDiv, JD, DMin, is a teacher and spiritual director who has spent his life companioning others on their spiritual journeys, inviting them to become more fully who they are created to be. A certified Narrative Enneagram teacher and a professor of spirituality at Wake Forest University School of Divinity, Chris integrates spiritual practices and the wisdom of the Enneagram to support the growth and healing of individuals, congregations, and organizations. He lives in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, with his husband Bernie.



Sandra C. Smith, MDiv, is a Narrative Enneagram certified teacher, consultant, and founder of AlchemyWorks. She serves as an active mentor and coach for Enneagram students seeking certification and is an accredited International Enneagram Association professional. Her background in business, non-profit management, and theology lays the foundation for her full-time work with the Enneagram, facilitating workshops, trainings, staff development, and team building in North America. Sandra lives in Asheville, North Carolina.



Both Sandra and Chris are trained and certified in the Narrative Enneagram, founded by Helen Palmer and David Daniels, MD.